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 Post subject: Re: 交易市场对新手的陷阱
PostPosted: 6/23/11 01:41 
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trading的核心是cut loss fast,let profit run。
说到scale in,scale out。其实不是那么简单。

比如我师兄泰山,他是all in, scale out。这在DT里用的多。
因为DT的range有限,scale in不一定适合股票。
但对timing要求较高,没有泰山级别的水平是不容易做到的。

1。scale in的背后本质是trader的最重要的素质,就是plan for the worst。
之所以大部分人fail,本质是never plan for the wrong side。
plan for the wrong side 不是简单的stop而已,而是mentally fully aware,
他姥姥的你可能是right in front of a running train。

有一大部分人是不会愿意plan what to do when wrong 的。
因为本身就是一个很痛苦的事情。
死抗,受不了再割肉,add down,tlld,就是不能cut。
我来市场是挣钱的。cut了我就错了,亏了钱,我今天就是loser。
我本来就不是个winner,股市是我的希望,梦想。
tlld,不能cut,梦想不能破灭。。。
上次cut就cut错了,再扛一抗。。。

所以,需要scale in,错得少得时候容易cut


2。scale out 的背后是,你应该assume你错了,除非市场证明你是对的。
scale out是为了reduce risk。
所以,如果市场证明你对,而且还有空间,实际上你不但不要scale out,
而且要multiple strike,或者add winner。


 
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 Post subject: Re: 交易市场对新手的陷阱
PostPosted: 6/23/11 08:26 
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股市风险最大,也最profitable的三个时间段是,开盘,关盘,欧洲。

熊市里要学会如何避免在这三个时间段被trap。
不被trap的情况下,做long钱比牛市好挣


 
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半吊子ABC真是毁人不倦


 
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我不想看到大家亏钱,问心无愧。 你也问心无愧就好了。尽管bash
迪斯马森 wrote:
半吊子ABC真是毁人不倦


 
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 Post subject: Re: 交易市场对新手的陷阱
PostPosted: 6/23/11 09:43 
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我尽量不说少儿不宜的东西
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我不想看到大家亏钱,问心无愧。 你也问心无愧就好了。尽管bash
迪斯马森 wrote:
半吊子ABC真是毁人不倦


 
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PostPosted: 6/23/11 09:51 
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abc, 看看nzd是不是要谢了。。
accipiter wrote:
我不想看到大家亏钱,问心无愧。 你也问心无愧就好了。尽管bash
迪斯马森 wrote:
半吊子ABC真是毁人不倦


 
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 Post subject: Re: 交易市场对新手的陷阱
PostPosted: 8/6/11 10:41 
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任何分析都不能替代一个最基本的问题,风险控制。
我们这些老油条尽管纸上谈兵,但奉劝不能看盘和没经验的朋友,还是听劝,
小心使得万年船,不要看这个人10x,那个人捞底抓顶。
股市不会关门,学好基本功比争钱要紧。


 
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PostPosted: 8/6/11 11:47 
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奉献几句我收藏的:

* 检验MKT VIEW 的一个有效方法: 问下自己,当前MKT 是HOLD 着股票的人着急?做空的人着急? 还是拿CASH 边上看的人急。想清楚了通常就不会站错队。

* luck > money management > market reading > trading > pick
Money management的意义就在于,让你在市场里呆足够的时间,以等到luck降临。
* Follow the trend. Follow the money.

* 不在山顶站岗,不在地窖放火。

* 股市生存之四道, 取人之弃,想人之疑,乘人之危,落井下石。
苍蝇抓点,苍鹰抓段!苍蝇对每个点都很在意,对每次波动都很惊恐!

* 在科学上,在学术上,你可以站在巨人的肩膀上,更上一层楼。在股市里,你站在谁的肩膀上也没用。可能更快见外婆。你脚下某人的肩膀随时会坍塌。

* Being wrong is ok, but staying wrong is what makes traders fail.


 
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Btw, abc 老师这篇能置顶吗?thanks


 
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accipiter wrote:
把自己作为小散的一些教训写写,以前也写过,主要是mental方面的


this is one of the best threads i have ever read for a long long long long time in 168 ...


accipiter ... you are on your way ...


 
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PostPosted: 8/6/11 12:53 
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没有意义。这些东西在很多书上有,在每个人笔记里也有,但如果不理解而且没有perservance 努力,毫无意义。 就好比我说锻炼身体最重要。说又如何?谁不知道
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Btw, abc 老师这篇能置顶吗?thanks


 
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PostPosted: 8/6/11 13:07 
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Thanks. Just some random words from me. If someone finds it helpful, I am happy that I help.
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accipiter wrote:
把自己作为小散的一些教训写写,以前也写过,主要是mental方面的


this is one of the best threads i have ever read for a long long long long time in 168 ...


accipiter ... you are on your way ...


 
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ABC能得到大波的青睐, 看大波的话估计现在快进步到大波的水平的5% 了。加油。
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Thanks. Just some random words from me. If someone finds it helpful, I am happy that I help.
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accipiter wrote:
把自己作为小散的一些教训写写,以前也写过,主要是mental方面的


this is one of the best threads i have ever read for a long long long long time in 168 ...


accipiter ... you are on your way ...


 
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你个老油条,发了吧。 有好的forex setup给我pm两个咯
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ABC能得到大波的青睐, 看大波的话估计现在快进步到大波的水平的5% 了。加油。
accipiter wrote:
Thanks. Just some random words from me. If someone finds it helpful, I am happy that I help.
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PostPosted: 8/6/11 15:51 
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而且这样的损失, 估计还可以到政府报销。 至少在年报里作为 special item excluded from analyst's forecast.要是为了这个丢了工作不值得。。
我还得看看我们公司那么多cash/money market咋办。


accipiter wrote:
你个老油条,发了吧。 有好的forex setup给我pm两个咯
狗狗爹 wrote:
ABC能得到大波的青睐, 看大波的话估计现在快进步到大波的水平的5% 了。加油。
accipiter wrote:
Thanks. Just some random words from me. If someone finds it helpful, I am happy that I help.


 
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