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你说的有理! 我现在也不敢积极地叫别人炒股了.
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6mm, don't expect many people will truely understand your stuff.  after went through several  handred people in several months, i really believe that traders are born to be traders. and there are only very very few .. if a person have been in the market actively for 2+ years and still not be able to make money, he/she should just give up.

 
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想了想,把我一年多做FUTUER呕心沥血的总结写出来:
1. 足够的经验=大方向+关键点+盘面感觉
2.成熟的性格心态=勇气+自律+客观
3.完整的计划=资金的管理+进出点的合理性.



 
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yeah! and that's truth.

6th sense wrote:
你说的有理! 我现在也不敢积极地叫别人炒股了.
slowpenny wrote:
6mm, don't expect many people will truely understand your stuff.  after went through several  handred people in several months, i really believe that traders are born to be traders. and there are only very very few .. if a person have been in the market actively for 2+ years and still not be able to make money, he/she should just give up.

 
6th sense wrote:

想了想,把我一年多做FUTUER呕心沥血的总结写出来:
1. 足够的经验=大方向+关键点+盘面感觉
2.成熟的性格心态=勇气+自律+客观
3.完整的计划=资金的管理+进出点的合理性.



 
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PostPosted: 2/2/08 09:01 
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好。
不过那个davas 可是用了5-6年时间悟道,最后才有2年从5-6万,到200万的成绩吧。
小学6年才能熟练混合运算,关系到以后几十年财运的技巧,单靠1-2年从零开始就能成大师,肯定是神童级别啦 !!

介绍别人炒股汇:1老板,2赌徒--看当事人想当哪个吧?las vegas 赌城老板大发,参加的赌徒发达的就很少了。


 
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这儿没大师,大家都怕当大师.还好炒股不是传销,拉别人炒股我得不到啥好处,否则真是跳进黄河洗不清了.
这世上是不是所有人都是坏人? 要那样我被误认为坏人也就正常啦.
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好。
不过那个davas 可是用了5-6年时间悟道,最后才有2年从5-6万,到200万的成绩吧。
小学6年才能熟练混合运算,关系到以后几十年财运的技巧,单靠1-2年从零开始就能成大师,肯定是神童级别啦 !!

介绍别人炒股汇:1老板,2赌徒--看当事人想当哪个吧?las vegas 赌城老板大发,参加的赌徒发达的就很少了。


 
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盘面感觉主要是哪些?是不是市场的方向与强弱的感觉?
6MM要是看盘都看些什么?
讲一下也好让鸡跑鸭子早点觉悟Laughing
6th sense wrote:

想了想,把我一年多做FUTUER呕心沥血的总结写出来:
1. 足够的经验=大方向+关键点+盘面感觉
2.成熟的性格心态=勇气+自律+客观
3.完整的计划=资金的管理+进出点的合理性.



 
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PostPosted: 2/2/08 14:31 
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真是不容易,单是自律对我太难了,我不喜欢设止损不喜欢put,short,不论怎么强迫自己都做不到。炒股这个和自己很多人生信条不一样,为了炒股改变自己太难了。我要是能达到自己的目标,立马彻底离开市场,做回自己。估计我有这样的想法,所以始终不死不活的耗着。
6th sense wrote:

想了想,把我一年多做FUTUER呕心沥血的总结写出来:
1. 足够的经验=大方向+关键点+盘面感觉
2.成熟的性格心态=勇气+自律+客观
3.完整的计划=资金的管理+进出点的合理性.



 
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PostPosted: 2/2/08 15:27 
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Did your trading "success" ruin other people's career? 

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=116533


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New Post 02-02-08 11:36 AM

Alright, this is a strange topic, but I've witnessed two people that try to do the same thing that I'm doing and blew up their accounts.

For some reason, because I'm doing it, they think it can't be that bad.

I warned both of them but ultimately, they couldn't throw out "get rich quick mentality" and got killed after several months.

So nowadays, when my friends ask me how my trading is going, I just smile and tell them I'm happy to be alive.

Those two people that blew up are now back in the corporate rat race, and one of them even blamed me for not helping him enough.... Go figure....


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New Post 02-02-08 12:06 PM

Years ago I tried to help a good friend get started trading. That is the only time I have ever shown actual trading statements to anybody. Proof that it could be done was my biggest "tip", but it wasn't enough. My friend just didn't have the right psychology. It was a shame because we could have helped each other.

A while back I registered as a CTA. That let to a call from a young man who wanted to talk trading. So I met with him, and even loaned him some books and reference materials which he never returned.

It is was mostly those two experiences that made me a lot less likely to talk about what I do or share my experience. We're all social animals, and I cannot refrain entirely from talking about trading, but I don't want to be responsible in any way for somebody else blowing up.

The more successful we are at trading, the more people envy or resent our freedom and success. It's probably best to find friends we have something in common with and who support what we do.



6th sense wrote:
你说的有理! 我现在也不敢积极地叫别人炒股了.
slowpenny wrote:
6mm, don't expect many people will truely understand your stuff.  after went through several  handred people in several months, i really believe that traders are born to be traders. and there are only very very few .. if a person have been in the market actively for 2+ years and still not be able to make money, he/she should just give up.
 


 
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PostPosted: 2/2/08 16:50 
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没有完善的系统,就是那种很明朗的进出条件;很难让一个人盈利的吧。
靠几句话,是非常非常少的。

别人总以为,你没有帮助好,有隐瞒。搞不好,最后连朋友的关系也要失去了。很不值得的。发现受教育的程度越高,越难学会系统交易。大概觉得,那样的简单系统可以赚钱是对他们(她们)高等学位的侮辱吧。

(如有雷同,纯属偶然,实在是难)


 
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PostPosted: 2/3/08 00:39 
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盘面感觉就是市场的方向与强弱的感觉,我想做FUTUER时间较长的人客观地感觉盘面都能得到这种感觉,发哥这种感觉比较好. 大方向和关键点更重要些,我常常只设单在关键点上,中间几何不看盘.
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盘面感觉主要是哪些?是不是市场的方向与强弱的感觉?
6MM要是看盘都看些什么?
讲一下也好让鸡跑鸭子早点觉悟Laughing
6th sense wrote:

想了想,把我一年多做FUTUER呕心沥血的总结写出来:
1. 足够的经验=大方向+关键点+盘面感觉
2.成熟的性格心态=勇气+自律+客观
3.完整的计划=资金的管理+进出点的合理性.



 
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PostPosted: 2/3/08 00:56 
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我相信炒股和人生差不多,善于认识自己缺点并改正的人才是成功的人. 所以炒股有利于塑造良好的个性.
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真是不容易,单是自律对我太难了,我不喜欢设止损不喜欢put,short,不论怎么强迫自己都做不到。炒股这个和自己很多人生信条不一样,为了炒股改变自己太难了。我要是能达到自己的目标,立马彻底离开市场,做回自己。估计我有这样的想法,所以始终不死不活的耗着。
6th sense wrote:

想了想,把我一年多做FUTUER呕心沥血的总结写出来:
1. 足够的经验=大方向+关键点+盘面感觉
2.成熟的性格心态=勇气+自律+客观
3.完整的计划=资金的管理+进出点的合理性.



 
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PostPosted: 2/3/08 01:09 
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我通常叫人炒股并不是简单地告诉他炒哪只股,进出价, 而是把我的整个思维告诉他.如果他理解并执行的好是出不了大问题的,如果我已说了前因后果,他自己懒惰只想瞎跟风出了问题,我想也不能怨我,因为我把他当成年人看待的.
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Did your trading "success" ruin other people's career? 

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=116533


6th sense wrote:
你说的有理! 我现在也不敢积极地叫别人炒股了.
slowpenny wrote:
6mm, don't expect many people will truely understand your stuff.  after went through several  handred people in several months, i really believe that traders are born to be traders. and there are only very very few .. if a person have been in the market actively for 2+ years and still not be able to make money, he/she should just give up.
 


 
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6mm能说说一般啥时候能看出来,俺完全赞同你的说法,但是俺一般到了11-12点才能看出来,还不一定对。

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我觉得要先确定大概是什么盘,牛,熊,猪,然后再决定该怎么做.


 
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我又想起来个问题,6mm提到的感觉把握大的时候size大写,把握小的时候size小。这个是不是跟玩blackjack道理差不多。我第一次玩,用20块钱,每次最少5块一局,挺了30分钟。虽然最高double过,但是长就下去还是会输给house.不知道er2是不是也是这个道理。做er2开始都是1个一个的做,很快double 账户以后,有2次搞了2个玩,而且是在trend day做反方向而且死不悔改,然后账户就-25%。现在又回到只做一个了,账户又爬到150% 最近的经验就是做错了不要心疼,喀嚓就割肉,等下次对的时候多拿些时候。不过做起来很难,今天658short还给shop out了,后来670+又烧,只是赚了double loss就跑了,后边收盘在看cover的太早太早了


 
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我自己上大仓是在SWING的顶底点才用,中间几天SIZE都小,因为那时是REWARD/RISK最划算的时候.
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我又想起来个问题,6mm提到的感觉把握大的时候size大写,把握小的时候size小。这个是不是跟玩blackjack道理差不多。我第一次玩,用20块钱,每次最少5块一局,挺了30分钟。虽然最高double过,但是长就下去还是会输给house.不知道er2是不是也是这个道理。做er2开始都是1个一个的做,很快double 账户以后,有2次搞了2个玩,而且是在trend day做反方向而且死不悔改,然后账户就-25%。现在又回到只做一个了,账户又爬到150% 最近的经验就是做错了不要心疼,喀嚓就割肉,等下次对的时候多拿些时候。不过做起来很难,今天658short还给shop out了,后来670+又烧,只是赚了double loss就跑了,后边收盘在看cover的太早太早了


 
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终于有人理我了,感动,hug hug先
俺账户太小了,从来不过夜的,55. 6mm说说怎么看顶/底呢,日后多多指教!


6th sense wrote:
我自己上大仓是在SWING的顶底点才用,中间几天SIZE都小,因为那时是REWARD/RISK最划算的时候.
Piglet wrote:
我又想起来个问题,6mm提到的感觉把握大的时候size大写,把握小的时候size小。这个是不是跟玩blackjack道理差不多。我第一次玩,用20块钱,每次最少5块一局,挺了30分钟。虽然最高double过,但是长就下去还是会输给house.不知道er2是不是也是这个道理。做er2开始都是1个一个的做,很快double 账户以后,有2次搞了2个玩,而且是在trend day做反方向而且死不悔改,然后账户就-25%。现在又回到只做一个了,账户又爬到150% 最近的经验就是做错了不要心疼,喀嚓就割肉,等下次对的时候多拿些时候。不过做起来很难,今天658short还给shop out了,后来670+又烧,只是赚了double loss就跑了,后边收盘在看cover的太早太早了


 
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